Anne and Matt discuss Mari Kondo having children and kissing minimalism goodbye. Then they talk about Andy Stanley leaving the faith and why people who’ve followed Rob Bell, Brian Mclaren, Jen Hatmaker, and Du Mez only to have them apostatize should probably listen more carefully to people warning them about false teachers. Finally, they puzzle over Phil Vischer and the Holy Post podcast hosts covering same-sex blessings in the Church of England.